turbo folks

[fordmuscle395]

Hi, I'm looking for a little feedback from the turbo guys on the forum about the combo I've thought up. From what I've read turbo 5.0's tend to make gobs of torque at relativly low RPMs so I dont really plan on spinnin it to the moon. I want the car to be reliable but it wont be driven everyday. so here's my combo..so far

-HP products turbo kit, 60mm T4 turbo
-stock block bored to 306
-stock crank
-Eagle SIR I-beam rods
-forged pistons, 8.5:1 compression
-ported cobra intake
-heads( undecided)
-cam(undecided)
-Comp Cams Pro Magnum roller rockers

Im not a "know it all" and Im new to turbos, I'm just looking for some experience in this category. Any feedback would be awseome

 

[bentley429]

Cobra intake is restrictive but if its a use what you got thing thats fine. 8.5 is pretty low even for a boosted setup esp when its this mild, try for 9:1. Depending on how much boost you run you will deff be at least 450 rwhp and torque seems to vary but its generally around 50 ft/lbs more then the hp its making. Go to theturboforums.com you'll find a lot more information there and way more turbo people.

 

[millhouse]

There is no guarantee that combo will be reliable with the amount of power you’ll be making….using the stock block. Keeping the RPMS down (6000 rpm) will certainly help, but just keep in mind the block itself is going to be the weak link….and the money you put into a rotating assembly could be lost if/when it splits. You would be better off IMHO simply re-honing the block and throwing the stock assembly back in with high quality rings/bearings and putting the money you save towards a nice aftermarket block.

With that said, your intake shouldn’t be a restriction at all at those power levels. You won’t need to go super big on a throttle body either (a 65mm will do just fine). Once you throw a decent set of head on along with a cam suited for turbo apps you’ll be looking at ~500rwhp with mild boost levels.

 

[SMOKEDYA]

I dont know jack about turbos either except i want one! But serious tho go into the N.W forums here on s/n look for stangler or water pog there turbo nuts! AND i THINK stangler with heads and cam ran 10.10 @126? with a turbo!Always using a stock block tho. peace



john

 

[millhouse]

I dont know jack about turbos either except i want one! But serious tho go into the N.W forums here on s/n look for stangler or water pog there turbo nuts! AND i THINK stangler with heads and cam ran 10.10 @126? with a turbo!Always using a stock block tho. peace



john

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[2000xp8]

I see no reason to goto a turbo setup if you aren't going to go with an aftermarket block and shoot for rwhp numbers in the area of 600 or more.

And SC trim would be far more ecomonical and produce as much power , and probably even run better as a street car.

If you were going to do a 306, i sorta agree with millhouse, putting a bunch of money into a stock block to run a turbo is senseless.
But my opinion goes a bit further, and i think, since you really shouldn't make too much more than 450-475 to the wheels on a stock block, just use an SC instead.

 

[millhouse]

I see no reason to goto a turbo setup if you aren't going to go with an aftermarket block and shoot for rwhp numbers in the area of 600 or more.

And SC trim would be far more ecomonical and produce as much power , and probably even run better as a street car.

If you were going to do a 306, i sorta agree with millhouse, putting a bunch of money into a stock block to run a turbo is senseless.
But my opinion goes a bit further, and i think, since you really shouldn't make too much more than 450-475 to the wheels on a stock block, just use an SC instead.

You know, I think one of the big advantages of running a turbo with the stock block his how much less they seem to stress the stock rotating assembly. The pressure of a supercharger belt on the snout of the stock crank is quite great…and there is far more parasitic losses associated to a supercharged setup.

Don’t get me wrong, a supercharger is typically way easier to bolt on than any turbo setup for a mustang…but the costs are actually quite similar when comparing the two….and most turbo kits come with an intercooler to boot. As for street manners, with the proper tune…there is no reason a turbo setup can’t have the same…if not better street-abiltiy than an equally setup supercharger.

 

[fordmuscle395]

well like I said, I'm just looking for some feedback, the combo I listed is not set in stone. I listed the cobra intake cause i like the price tag and its good to 5,200 RPM unported, MM&FF ran this kit on a bone stock 200,000 mile plus motor and were making 493 ft/lbs @just 3,700 rpms. granted, but for how long on stock bottom end right? I'm not looking to spend over $1000 bucks on an aftermarket block if I'm not thrashin at the drag strip every weekend.

 

[2000xp8]

You know, I think one of the big advantages of running a turbo with the stock block his how much less they seem to stress the stock rotating assembly. The pressure of a supercharger belt on the snout of the stock crank is quite great…and there is far more parasitic losses associated to a supercharged setup.

Don’t get me wrong, a supercharger is typically way easier to bolt on than any turbo setup for a mustang…but the costs are actually quite similar when comparing the two….and most turbo kits come with an intercooler to boot. As for street manners, with the proper tune…there is no reason a turbo setup can’t have the same…if not better street-abiltiy than an equally setup supercharger.

Well, i do agree the stress on the snout is more.

But I don't think cost is all that close.
An SC trim is only $2000, then add about $1000 for extras.

The hp kit, starts at $4500.

 

[bentley429]

I pieced my kit together for about $2300 using a T72 non ball baring turbo. Use a MP70 and it can be done even cheaper. A LOT of guys make 600 rwhp stock block for 3-4+ years and have no issues just keeping the rpm's below 6k. If it makes a difference my car has the same driveablity as it did when it had the s trim. Runs like its stock until the right pedal goes down. The turbo is a lot more fun to drive.

 

[Boostedpimp]

Sold my novi 2k kit for 2300, picked up a used cartech kit with fresh t62e turbo for 1800 and will never go back to sc.. more mpg, more power per psi and less stress on the rotating assembly.. tuning is a little tougher because of the change of weather etc

 

[millhouse]

Well, i do agree the stress on the snout is more.

But I don't think cost is all that close.
An SC trim is only $2000, then add about $1000 for extras.

The hp kit, starts at $4500.

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That kit starts a $2750 including intercooler, wastegage and BOV not to mention the headers. Try to price out a new superchager kit to compare and I think you'll find the turbo kit listed is actually cheaper.

 

[2000xp8]

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That kit starts a $2750 including intercooler, wastegage and BOV not to mention the headers. Try to price out a new superchager kit to compare and I think you'll find the turbo kit listed is actually cheaper.

You can make a fox run with a $2000 SC trim if you really wanted to.

That stage one in the pic comes with the smaller piping, according to the add, and it comes with Master power turbos, which should be filed under "you get what you pay for".
I don't doubt the guy does nice work, but i sure wouldn't be sacrificing turbo quality, to save money.

 

[bentley429]

MP turbos had problems in the past but have been much more reliable in the past few years. Vortech SC kit is you get what you pay for also. There is a reason its so cheap.

 

[fordmuscle395]

If i was to deicide that i wanted go the blower route i would most lilely go with ProCharger, but after watching that video Millhouse has on his profile....makes me want a turbo even more!

 

[millhouse]

You can make a fox run with a $2000 SC trim if you really wanted to.

That stage one in the pic comes with the smaller piping, according to the add, and it comes with Master power turbos, which should be filed under "you get what you pay for".
I don't doubt the guy does nice work, but i sure wouldn't be sacrificing turbo quality, to save money.

That "smaller piping" is more than adequate of producing block splitting horsepower. It may not be the first choice for those looking for 750rwhp, but it would have no problem supporting upwards of 650rwhp.

As for MP turbos, they have come a loooong way. The reliability is way up...which is reflected in the cost (they used to be cheaper!).

FYI, there is no way you are making an equally setup longblock perform to the levels of that basic turbo kit with a $2000 sc trim.

Oh...and that s trim doesn't include headers, an intercooler or the capability of running anything but MIMIMAL BOOST without modifacations.

 

[millhouse]

That "smaller piping" is more than adequate of producing block splitting horsepower. It may not be the first choice for those looking for 750rwhp, but it would have no problem supporting upwards of 650rwhp.

As for MP turbos, they have come a loooong way. The reliability is way up...which is reflected in the cost (they used to be cheaper!).

FYI, there is no way you are making an equally setup longblock perform to the levels of that basic turbo kit with a $2000 sc trim.

Oh...and that s trim doesn't include headers, an intercooler or the capability of running anything but MIMIMAL BOOST without modifacations.

If i was to deicide that i wanted go the blower route i would most lilely go with ProCharger, but after watching that video Millhouse has on his profile....makes me want a turbo even more!

Believe it or not, atleast 3 people went out and bought/fabricated turbo kit's after giving them a ride! To say the least, there is nothing like it.

 

[LONN17]

Engine management

Something not mentioned.... when going turbo can the EEC-IV handle the task (with a tune) or is megasquirt or the like required. I ask because I am in the process on doing a single turbo in my '65 fastback. So far I have a 60-1, 42lb injectors, GT40 intake, aeromotive adjustable FPR, mass air harness and A9P computer (from when I was planning the swap in an NA fashion).

I like the idea a MS but am concerned about finding someone competent to dyno tune the car whereas it seems it wouldn't be difficult to find someone well versed in the ford ECU.

Trevor

 

[millhouse]

Something not mentioned.... when going turbo can the EEC-IV handle the task (with a tune) or is megasquirt or the like required. I ask because I am in the process on doing a single turbo in my '65 fastback. So far I have a 60-1, 42lb injectors, GT40 intake, aeromotive adjustable FPR, mass air harness and A9P computer (from when I was planning the swap in an NA fashion).

I like the idea a MS but am concerned about finding someone competent to dyno tune the car whereas it seems it wouldn't be difficult to find someone well versed in the ford ECU.

Trevor

The EEC-IV can absolutely handle the task….and can be done reliably by any competent tuner.

The reason many of us switch to a stand-alone (such as the megasquirt) is because we either love to do things ourselves….or don’t want to pay for a new tune for every minute change we do. Many of us constantly tinker with our setups…and it would be cost prohibitive to get a new tune once or twice a year. With many stand-alones…you can do most of (if not all) the tuning yourself on the street or strip. Another reason many of us switch to a stand alone is they are typically MAP based rather than MAF….and for a forced induction setup, It’s ideal. Your able to ditch your MAF meter and simply tune based on manifold pressure.

In the end, the route you choose is going to be based on your willingness to learn…and your future goals.

 

[LONN17]

I have been eyeing up megasquirt for years now so its probably what I will end up going with. I'm familiar with all the aspects of it but I've never really researched what the ford EEC can do because years back when I bought the parts to run it I was going to go NA with a compatible cam.

How did you incorporate the MS into the stock harness? Thats pretty much what I need to figure out now (while waiting on my headers to be built).