Grn92LX said:I forgot about this link. I figured i'd post it to further prove my point. Read Ed Curtis's response
http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=690999
5spd GT said:Lol - You forgot to mention (imagine that ) that he is "putting a 150 shot of nitrous to it. my comp. is 10.1:1."
I would chose AFR 185's as well...but is that what this guy in question is doing...
Nope!
nmcgrawj said:Does the nitrous change what power would be said to be made? And does the 10.1:1 compression make it not streetable or a daily driver?
I must admit David you are VERY good with words...but come on man. You gotta admit...you take a lot of this crap too far
Wow talk about having your head far up you ass. That has to be the most ignorant comment I have ever read on here.Grn92LX said:. if you need some help in building a killer street combo, PM he. If you wanna spend $1300 on heads + a $150 spring to run 108 mph, others got you covered
5spd GT said:Who do you work for?
nmcgrawj said:Im tired of hearing people shoot down ideas that are not their own.....Everyone has stated their opinions. Now once again, this annoying quoting every word **** to make things look "different" to make yourself look "better" has got to stop. If all these guys were speaking the truth...dont you think they would be designing their own combos and running their own cams? They dont.
wytstang said:Wow talk about having your head far up you ass. That has to be the most ignorant comment I have ever read on here.
Grn92LX said:Heres the deal. You're building a 306, so put in a GOOD piston with deeper reliefs so you can run bigger cam/valves. Sounds like you decided on afr's, use the 185's, not the 165's. Use an rpm manifold with a good custom grind cam or an anderson motorsport cam and enjoy. Have the rpm lower ported. You will easily hit 350+ rwhp depending on the cam and rest of the combo. 400rwhp is attainable if done right and it will be streetable. I'm in the process of helping one of my friends do a new combo in his car. Its a 306 with afr 185's, rpm II intake and an AFM N-61 cam. It should do around 350rwhp and be able to be driven anywhere as a STREET car should.
mytight95 said:Also i was curious if the Afr's have to have springs upgraded, or anything like that to handle a very high lift or high duration cam.... cahnge lock or retainers?
jason
Methodical said:I spoke with ED at FTI when I was building my 306 and he suggested adamately that I use the AFR 165s and edelbrock because of better velocity over the the 185s. He said to use the 185s if I stroked the engine to 331 or 347. Definitely talk to him and see what he has to say. I did not do a custom cam I bought an off the shelf lunati because of emission reasons and I didn't know about Tweecer either. Other than that I would have gone radical with the cam. I used Probe pisons with deep valve relief which can handle larger valves and .600 lift cam (future upgrades one day ---maybe). I don't know my RWHP or RWT because the engine is still new with only about 150 miles - don't want to take it to the dyno just yet and I have not gotten my Tweecer up and running. Just One Man's Opnion. Peace
Grn92LX said:I forgot about this link. I figured i'd post it to further prove my point. Read Ed Curtis's response
http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=690999
Methodical said:I just read Ed's response and one thing I noticed is that the original poster stated that he would add 150 shot of NOS. So does Ed's prediction of 400 RWHP include the NOS or is it on the engine alone? To me it sounds like it's with the NOS. Just One Man's Opinion. Peace
Grn92LX said:I'm in the IBEW (International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers) union thanks for asking I'm a 4th year apprentice.
Grn92LX said:Dave on my 302 I did run a 24 lb maf and 30lb injectors but I used a pto m optomizer to dial it in. It idled pretty good wit that usually. W/o it it wouldn't.
Grn92LX said:So adding an aftermarket flat top piston like a probe or a JE wouldn't add compression?? I thought were were talking about a n/a 306 which requires a new piston?
Grn92LX said:What do you mean "if it isn't what Grn92LX wants or has"?? I do NOT have afr 185's on my car. My friend happens to have a 306 with them though but the combo isn't running. Should run decent when we're done. Yu need to realize this is the internet I think you also have lots of built up tension and maybe getting laid would calm you down Gotta go head to my full time job. I'll read everyone of my quoted sentences when I get back
5spd GT said:It could add compression but that is not what was being talked about. I even said that it wasn't that much compression...the thing was that he was using 150 shot of nitrous (that effects the head decison). Why would you compare a N/A 306 to a 150shotted 306
Methodical said:I spoke with ED at FTI when I was building my 306 and he suggested adamately that I use the AFR 165s and edelbrock because of better velocity over the the 185s. He said to use the 185s if I stroked the engine to 331 or 347. Definitely talk to him and see what he has to say. I did not do a custom cam I bought an off the shelf lunati because of emission reasons and I didn't know about Tweecer either. Other than that I would have gone radical with the cam. I used Probe pisons with deep valve relief which can handle larger valves and .600 lift cam (future upgrades one day ---maybe). I don't know my RWHP or RWT because the engine is still new with only about 150 miles - don't want to take it to the dyno just yet and I have not gotten my Tweecer up and running. Just One Man's Opnion. Peace
nmcgrawj said:Well....the two combos on juice will be different in how they respond. But N/A is N/A when you arent using the juice. If you plan a combo to respond better on the juice than thats GREAT for you. But you CAN compare the two combos when the juice is not being used. Yea they have two different goals but comparing a combo based off its n/a performance and another motor built for n/a performance doesnt matter. The fact that nitrous is used doesnt have anything to do with it unless its actually being sprayed. Unless im missing something
And again on "ed's comments"....i wish the big bad man himself would come in here and shut everyone up. His "comments" cant include the juice because that would mean the combo would be performing at a terribly low level. Even if the juice accounted for 100rwhp of the 150 shot it got, that gives the motor only 300rwhp which i doubt Ed was saying but IS possible. I just seriously doubt it.