Gt-40p Intake Swap

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    Can I use the old intake bolts on the swap of gt-40p intake?
     
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    the upper gets 4 long bolts 2 short
     
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    The lower bolts yes, the uppers I'm not sure.
     
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    4 of the long ones 6" long and 2 short ones that are 2" long. should be 5/16-18
     
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    Some addtional information thar migh prove useful...

    Everything you could ever want to know about Explorer/GT40 intake manifolds: http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=551505

    Explorer intake swap.

    I got mine off a 96 Mountaineer with the 19# injectors and 65 MM throttle body for $250.

    The ACT (Air Charge Temp) sensor will probably need to be moved. The GT 40 lower manifold isn't drilled & tapped for it to go into the intake like the stock manifold was. There is a boss cast into the GT 40, but a machine shop will have to drill & tap the new manifold. The best spot for the ACT is the air box if you don't do the drill and tap thing. You get to cut and splice the 2 ACT wires in order to make them long enough to reach the air box. Solder the wire extensions on the existing wires & use heat shrink tubing to cover the splices. Offset the place where you cut the wires so that you don't have a big bulge when you put heat shrink over the 2 wires to cover & protect them. The air box gets a hole (5/8" or so) for the ACT drilled about 1 1/4" down & 1/1/4" in on the front top side near the upper radiator hose. A brass fitting nut from Home Depot or Ace Hardware secures the ACT into the air box.

    If you are very clever, you will find that the ACT connector comes apart so that you can remove the pins. A very small screwdriver releases the lock in the front of the center insert, while another small screwdriver inserted in the back pushes it out. Once the center insert is out of the connector shell, the pins come out easily. New pins are available from AutoZone in a $5 electrical pin kit for Fords. Crimping the pins on the extender wires saves you from having to splice them twice: once to put the connector on and once to extend the wires.

    6 ft black 18 gauge wire
    6 ft green 18 gauge wire
    6 ft 1/4" heat shrink tubing
    1 ft 3/16" heat shrink tubing

    Measure the 2 extender wires & cut them to length, crimp one set of pins on them. Then mate up the extender pins with the wiring harness & slide the 3/16" heat shrink tubing over them & shrink the tubing. Then slide the 1/4" heat shrink tubing over the pair of wires and shrink the tubing. When you are done you'll have about 1" of wire left without heat shrink tubing on it to strip & crimp the new pins on. Stick the new pins in the old connector shell, assemble it and you are done. It looks as good as factory. Some wire loom can be used to enhance the "Factory Look".

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    Use the TPS and IAB from your old throttle body. All the EGR passages were there and fit OK. Use you old fuel rails and regulator. You will probably need a new EGR spacer adapter and gaskets. Without the EGR spacer, there is no place to mount the throttle linkage support bracket.

    I used the stock water lines on the Explorer manifold and they connected up to the EGR without any problems. I made a “U” out of ½” copper pipe and sweat soldered it together. Then I used it and some hose with clamps to bypass the leaky heater.

    The vacuum lines you need are 1 small line for fuel pressure regulator, 1 small line for A/C,1 small line for EGR and another small line for the smog pump. One big line at the back goes to the vacuum tree for the power brake & A/C, one big line goes to the PVC valve. The other big line goes out the front for the carbon canister. In a pinch, one of the small lines can connect to the spare port on the vacuum tree. Cap or plug the remaining lines since they aren't needed.

    The stock Explorer linkage didn't come anywhere near fitting, so I made an adapter plate for the throttle linkage so I could use the 65 MM throttle body.

    This is what I did:
    Make a drawing of the position of the old throttle body linkage arm and its angular position relative to the centerline of the throttle body. Remove the ball stud off the explorer TB to make way for the adapter plate. Drill and tap a 10-32 hole in the linkage parallel to the TB shaft. Make an angle bracket out of 1" angle iron 3/8", drill a 3/16” hole in the center of each one of the legs. Then bolt it on where the hole was drilled & tapped. Then make a circular adapter plate out of 1/4" thick aluminum to bolt the two linkage arms together. Then bolt the aluminum plate to the existing linkage, and the angle bracket. Next mount the arm with the ball stud off the old throttle body on the adapter plate using the drawing to get the angle correct. You will need an aircraft type countersink for one of the bolts that secures the plate to the explorer linkage arm. It ends up being under the arm with the ball stud for the linkage. It works great and looks neat.

    The Explorer TB could have been real simple if I had a gas welding torch or taken the TB to a welding shop. Just grind the mushroomed part of the TB shafts so that you can pry the linkage arms off. Then swap the stock arm onto the Explorer TB and braze it onto the shaft. It Takes about 3 minutes or less worth of work with the torch, so it shouldn't cost much.

    I didn't have access to a welder, so I fabb'ed the plate in my shop. I took about 1.5 hours to do it, it was a measure, cut, and fit type of operation.

    Also see http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/ConvertingExplorer65mmTB.pdf for modifications to adapt the 65 MM Explorer TB to a Mustang

    Vacuum line connections:
    One large vacuum line from the upper front goes to the carbon canister

    One large vacuum line from the rear goes to the vacuum tree.

    One small line in the front feeds the Smog pump solenoid control valves on the rear of the passenger side wheel well..

    One small line in the rear goes to the fuel pressure regulator.

    One small line in the rear goes to the EGR suction regulator.

    One large line in the rear goes to the PVC valve.

    Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds - Typical Vacuum Routing for a Fox stang 5.0: [​IMG]

    Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds - Intake manifold bolt tightening sequence for a 5.0 Fox stang:
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    Intake manifold to head bolts
    --Step 1 96 in/lbs
    --Step 2 16ft/lbs
    --Step 3 23-25 ft/lbs

    See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host) for help on 88-95 wiring http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/

    Here's some tips...

    Tools: a good torque wrench is a must have item. A razor blade scraper that holds a single edge razor blade from Home Depot or Ace hardware is another handy thing. Get a Chilton or Haynes shop manual - you'll need it for the bolt torques and patterns. The intake manifold has an especially odd pattern. You'll need access to a timing light to set the timing after you re-stab the distributor. Look in the A/C repair section for the fuel line tools. They look like little plastic top hats. You will need the 1/2" & 5/8" ones. The hat shaped section goes on facing the large part of the coupling. Then you press hard on the brim until it forces the sleeve into the coupling and releases the spring. You may need someone to pull on the line while you press on the coupling. Put some motor oil on them when you put the line back together.

    The A/C Compressor comes off with lines still connected. Mark all the electrical, smog and vacuum lines with tags to help you remember where to re-connect them. If you have a digital camera, take several pictures.

    Whatever you do, don't skimp on cleaning the gasket surfaces. New gaskets need to seat against bare metal and not the residue left from the old gaskets in order to seal leak free. This is the most time consuming and tiresome part of the job. I suggest that you make good use of a shop vac while you are scraping and cleaning to avoid getting the old gasket material lost inside the engine. Look for little things that need to be replaced like the short hose from the thermostat hosing to the water pump, damaged vacuum lines and hose clamps that are rusted or broken.

    Plan on cutting the thermostat to water pump hose, or removing the thermostat housing. Also plan on removing the distributor to get clearance to remove the intake manifold. Remove #1 spark plug, stick your finger in the spark plug hole and crank. When your finger gets air moving past it, stop cranking. Turn the engine until the timing marks line up with the pointer. Now you can pull the distributor out.

    My favorite trick that saves time and effort is the stay in place gasket. Be sure that you scrape (don't use a wire brush) all the old gasket material off, then clean all the surfaces with acetone or MEK.

    When the surfaces are clean, use weather strip adhesive on the head to manifold surface. Also use the weather strip adhesive on the side of the gasket that mates to the head. When you are done, the head surface and the gasket surface that mate together will have weather strip adhesive on them. Follow the instructions on the tube or can and when it gets tacky, press the gasket down on the head.

    Clean the area where the rubber rails mount to the block in front and in the rear with more acetone or MEK and do the same trick with the weather strip adhesive that you did to the heads.

    Coat the rubber seals and the gasket area around the water passages with lots of Blue Silicone gasket sealer and put it together. TADA! no leaks, and no gaskets that shifted out of place.

    Fuel injector seal kits with 2 O rings and a pintle cap (Borg-Warner P/N 274081) are available at Pep Boys auto parts. Cost is about $3-$4 per kit. The following are listed at the Borg-Warner site ( http://www.borg-warner.com ) as being resellers of Borg-Warner parts:

    http://www.partsplus.com/ or http://www.autovalue.com/ or http://www.pepboys.com/ or http://www.federatedautoparts.com/

    Most of the links above have store locators for find a store in your area.

    Use motor oil on the O rings when you re-assemble them & everything will slide into place. The gasoline will wash away any excess oil that gets in the wrong places and it will burn up in the combustion chamber. Heat the pintle caps in boiling water to soften them to make them easier to install.

    Plan on doing an oil change within 2 hours of run time on the engine. This will get the debris and coolant out of the oil pan.

    Consumable items:
    Upper manifold gasket
    Fel Pro 1250 or equal lower manifold gasket set.
    Short formed hose between thermostat hosing and intake manifold
    6 ft 7/64" or 1/8" vacuum hose
    2 ft 1/2" heater hose
    1 1/2 ft 5/8" heater hose
    Blue Silicone sealer
    ARP antiseize or equal for the bolts
    4 each 3/4" hose clamps (spare item in case the old ones are bad)
    4 each 1/2" hose clamps (spare item)

    What can happen if you don’t use the stay in place gasket…

    Ask Nicoleb3x3 about the intake gasket that slipped out of place and caused idle and vacuum leak problems that could not be seen or found by external examination. Spay everything with anything you have, and you won't find the leak...
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    Want to wear yourself out with info on the Explorer intake manifolds? See http://www.stangnet.com/mustang-for...d-gt-40-intake-thread-56k-dont-bother.551505/
     
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    ok thanks for the input, i started on it yesterday, now need to find those 6" bolts, now on as far as using hi-temp silicone i just need it on the corners of the intake gaskets?
     
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    That sounds right to me. There should be a cutout in the manifold gaskets for the tabs of the rubber or cork rails to fit in. Use some silicone on that, and a light coat around the water passages at the front and rear of the lower intake manifold.
     
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    I tapped the #5 boss runner and drilled it out for the IAT sensor, as I have a CAI.

    Yep... ,lay a nice bead of Red RTV along the front and back end rails of the engine instead of the cork gaskets, and I like to also put red RTV around the water passages. Let it set up so it is tacky and then slowly lower the lower intake straight down. It helps to use some threaded rods to put in one of the holes on each side of the engine to guide and line up the lower intake down.

    Most important is to make sure everything is clean and all of the old gasket material is off the heads. Stuff some paper towels in the ports and lay a rag in the lifter valley to catch any debris. I also use a shop vac to get all the old gasket and other crap. Make sure you use the good Felpro intake and valve cover gaskets that have the metal in them. The regular paper intake gaskets suck and often leak. Same for the cork VC gaskets. The blue rubber VC gaskets go on dry. Make sure you torque all the bolts in proper sequence and settings. You should go back and retorque the bolts after a few heat cycles.

    Last, I would recommend you change the oil after doing the swap as you will have some coolant, brake clean, and other garbage in the oil.

    Jrichker gave a great writeup on the swap. Just take your time.
     
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    ok got it running, i broke a bolt on the upper imtake, and of course in the back, it seems to run ok, it has a slight miss, when i messed with the fuel pressure it seemed to run better. and one more thing the throttle body spacer has vacuum out of the coolant tips, i capped them off but my brother says that doesnt seem right.....
     
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    how far does the timing have to be off for it to miss?
     
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    a tooth and it will run , you sure that you didn't get some crud down the valley or old gasket , I had 2 plugs fowling cuz there was crap caught In them


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    You should not see vacuum on those two ports. The odds are that you have a slipped gasket between the throttle body and the throttle body spacer.
     
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    Would that help my miss at about 2000 rpm. I used silicone the gasket was tore
     
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    Bad choice, take it apart and use a good gasket. Shoddy work always comes back to bite you in the wallet.
     
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    FYI .... I used the spacer from the stock intake the gt40 was not included with the intake plus the opening had been ported ..
     
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    still shouldn't be any vac there ...
    coolant is supposed to run through there as a factory setup ... re do the gasket you should never re use with gasket maker


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    spray some carb cleaner around the spacer where it meets the TB... see if it smooths out. I agree though, don't cut corners. Use the proper $5 gasket. Make sure all of the old gasket and RTV is off or it won't seal properly.

    Also go back and re torque all the bolts as they have a habit of loosening up after a few heat cycles.
     
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    ok i checked autozone they dont seem to carry the gasket in will check others..I also need to extract the broken bolt on the upper intake, I have tried anything like this but I asked around and they say left-handed drill bit is the best way, the bolt is 5/16, can anyone tell me what size pilot bit and left-hand drill bit to use?
     
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    auto zone Deffinitley carries it I have bought numerous sets from them


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    Buy this intake set when bolting on a Explorer intake to stock E7 heads. FelPro MS93334. It has the steel reinforced intake gaskets and the better rubber end gaskets. IMO the 1250's are not a good choice- made of paper and are known to soak up water and oil, deform and leak.

    Autozone stocks them and they are cheap $12.

    Felpro/Intake Manifold Gasket
    Price: $11.99
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    Part Number: MS93334
    Alternate Part Number: AMS93334
    Toss out the upper intake gasket from this kit and get this:
    Explorer/Gt40/Cobra upper to lower intake gasket
    Felpro/Intake Manifold Gasket
    Price: $8.99
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    Part Number: MS95953
    Alternate Part Number: BMS95953
     
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