How to make my stang beat 2005 gt ?

4.10's are my next planned mod, after I get a new set of rear tires (still on the bald rears). Luckily this isnt my DD, so Im not too worried about daily driver issues....

My buddy has an 01 Cobra vert & he recently went to 4.30's & WOW, what a HUGE difference....

For real. trying to rev out to 7k with stock gears in this car is just humorous. Even when I get some room to play and romp on it, I never even get out of 2nd lol. Its sad really
 
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What makes building a fast car with an inferior design to start with logical? Is doing a big block drop into an '81 Chevette logical because it can outrun a Z06 or a Porche? That statement makes no sense?!? :bang:

I’ll be the first to admit, building a fast car, for little money may be desirable and seem cost effective from purely a performance standpoint, but it's still the furthest thing from logical. Especially considering all of the other aspects of the vehicle you're giving up in the process.

And what difference does it make why I addressed that persons particular post? Perhaps it was the fact that nobody else made such a reckless statement that needed answering. I realize you weren't the one that made the statement (and I never accused you of it), but you're also now the person who continually defines "performance" from a single perspective and chooses to ignore the fact that in order to reach the level of performance you seem to hold the S197 or better cars to, you need to make sacrifices and spend significant amounts of time and money along the way.

I argue these aspect for just that reason.....because you refuse to bring them up. You leave them out of the equation! An equation that makes a point that everyone with a logical path of thought seems to understand and acknowledge. And that point is that comparing a vehicle as a whole is just as important if not more so that just comparing certain aspects of it. You can’t praise one vehicle for meeting expectations in a certain criteria, but ignore it’s faults in another when you’re making an objective comparison....and that’s exactly what you’re doing!
I'm not leaving out those aspects, the aforementioned original issue was what was faster. Although, all sake of Devil's Advocacy aside - i agree with you:p
 
What are you saying? I used "ignorant" and "arrogant" in their proper respective forms in relation to what i was talking about.
I called you arrogant because you projected superiority concerning your car and your age (assumptions of being wise and mature).
I called people who assumed they'd always win a race as ignorant, hence ignoring another car's capabilities.

Please point out how me using these words show i don't know the difference between the two, otherwise your argument looks pretty thin to me:shrug:
was pointing out the fact that afew here are ignorant, you guys have some very hot cars and I respect the hell out of them and you too. No I don't go onto the 05 section and bash anyones car, If the like theyre car its ok with me . As for the track thing...if I can pick my driverfor my car...it would be kinda fun.:D :flag:
 
was pointing out the fact that afew here are ignorant, you guys have some very hot cars and I respect the hell out of them and you too. No I don't go onto the 05 section and bash anyones car, If the like theyre car its ok with me . As for the track thing...if I can pick my driverfor my car...it would be kinda fun.:D :flag:

Right, that'd be sweet. Name calling wasn't necessary, i was trying to argue another side and took off with it. Don't even fully buy into the side I was arguing, but every party needs representation:p

Where do you live?
 
You know quoting someone's mod list and then showing their Et and Trap Means nothing really. Should've quoted my old sig I had when i had the '00 GT then. Cuz i went 13.68@103 With 18's and street tires, full weight, and just exhaust. So you ran with MT's what i ran on a 18" street tire in a car slammed to the ground with less mods. Just saying, it proves nothing to quote a TERRIBLE driver who manages to run a modded Mach1 to a 13.7, thats honestly sad.

1) That quote of their signature included their ET and Trap speed.

2) That Mach 1 that I quoted went to the exact same track I go to. In fact I have seen it run. So it is a fair comparison to bring it up.

I brought it up for one to show what a local Mach 1 to me has done and it so happened to be a member of this board.

3) That track we go to is very tough to get a good ET and Trap out of. The track does zero prep, none at all except for featured events. It is 1600 feet above sea level according to NHRA and will have a minimum of 60% humidity. Cars are roughly .6 slower at this track than what similar cars run at other tracks...

4) I never said that the owner of that Mach was a good driver. I know that he watched me, my first 3 outings at the track in Apr/May 06. He was pretty happy on my first outing out as I was running mid 14's. When I ran my 13.68, he left not long after and I haven't seen him since. I also know that in Aug 06, I looked at an 03 Mach 1 that was identical in looks and had the same Mods as that one at a Ford Dealership. At that time, had the price been $4000.00 less, I would have bought it.
 
Right, that'd be sweet. Name calling wasn't necessary, i was trying to argue another side and took off with it. Don't even fully buy into the side I was arguing, but every party needs representation:p

Where do you live?

Oregon, and I love a good discussion about cars, especially the Stangs. I don't track race mine, so if I did I would pick a driver that knows what he's doing to drive it for me to see what she can really do. I know what I can do with it but to see someone really hook her up would be awesome.:D
 
1) That quote of their signature included their ET and Trap speed.

2) That Mach 1 that I quoted went to the exact same track I go to. In fact I have seen it run. So it is a fair comparison to bring it up.

I brought it up for one to show what a local Mach 1 to me has done and it so happened to be a member of this board.

3) That track we go to is very tough to get a good ET and Trap out of. The track does zero prep, none at all except for featured events. It is 1600 feet above sea level according to NHRA and will have a minimum of 60% humidity. Cars are roughly .6 slower at this track than what similar cars run at other tracks...

4) I never said that the owner of that Mach was a good driver. I know that he watched me, my first 3 outings at the track in Apr/May 06. He was pretty happy on my first outing out as I was running mid 14's. When I ran my 13.68, he left not long after and I haven't seen him since. I also know that in Aug 06, I looked at an 03 Mach 1 that was identical in looks and had the same Mods as that one at a Ford Dealership. At that time, had the price been $4000.00 less, I would have bought it.

Understandable, i'm just saying its not fair to quote a ****ty driver like that as a comparison to an 05+ GT because its just a joke. Even at 1600 ft, a 13.68 in a Mach 1 with all of those mods on a tire is extremely sad. A Mach1 on a tire like your car and with the same mods will most likely turn an identical time, maybe a bit better due to the 4v seeing a bit more gain from similar mods over a 3v. This is taking the driver out of the equation of course.
 
Does anyone remember reading in any of the magazines that stated something like this:

The new s-197 chassis is still more rigid than a sub-framed, caged notch.


I bought a new edge for a simple reason... very affordable. I test drove the s197 chassis and while it is superior all around and would have loved to own a new GT, it wasn't in my cards to do so.

Most of the time I crown vic around in the GT, as I don't feel the need to prove anything. About the only time I drop the pedal is getting on the freeway or needing to get around someone in a quick fashion and to keep the carbon from building up.

Maybe because I am no longer 21 years of age, I don't see the point of any of this going back and forth nonsense.

Build the sn95 with PI parts and then find someone who will meet you at the track with a stock s197... there are plenty of people on this board and line em up. Add your stage two cams or whatever else your going to add and line it up.

I never understood the whole "Will I beat this kinda of car thread?"

I never seen so much wasted time typing who or what will beat, out perform or cost-less arguments take place.

Man-up, build the vehicle and put it in the ring. Either you can or you can't beat the new GT but speculating is worthless.

Who cares who says what, because regardless of what is said, facts are facts and BS walks.