Discussion in '1996 - 2004 SN95 Mustang -General/Talk-' started by 03GTconv, Oct 27, 2006.
This will make some guys even more mad.
I have a friend with a Cobalt SS. One day we were on an empty highway and decided to run it. From a 60MPH roll, we both got an even launch and stayed door to door to 125MPH. He was stock, i had a cat-back and a shifter.
Never got to do a race from a dead stop, but those things are quick. He is planning an upgrade package that will increase boost.
this 20 year old johnny bought the stang
so many of you guys are passing judgement without even driving the damn thing, just basing it off of your single track thoughts that "anything that doesn't have a v8, with 2 doors, and is rwd is gay"
and to that guy that was asking about the rated hp, vs fwd hp; the car along with the saturn ion redline are underrated from the factory. much like the srt4, 03-04 cobra, and the mighty, ph34r for your life ls1.
its what happens when a maker builds a car right. they know the owners are going to increase the boost, and they dont want to have to deal with the damage come warranty time, when the owner de-mods the car in 10 minutes and tows it and theres nothing dodge can do but eat it.
its not like the srt4 is new technology as far as motors go either. the 4g63 used in dsm/evo's have been hitting the 500whp mark for almost 2 decades now with nothing but maybe arp head studs and a better head gasket (though the evo8 and up has a very good one already, can take 30psi).
i find it ****ty that ford cant figure out how to build motors that CAN handle that much power stock. aside from the Cobras, Lightnings and GT, every other car gets screwed.
True, but many 4/6cyl cars are making 250+hspwr for cheap and less weight. The mustang is a good car with its 300 hspwr that can run a 13.5 stock (awesome drvr), but take off 300 lbs and it would be an easy 13.1-13.5 car on avg.
Perhaps....but it's a big car and with bigger cars come bigger weight. Don’t think other manufacturers are doing any better. Take a look at the 350Z for example. Sure it makes great power for only 6-cylinders, but it’s just as tubby as the Stang and a dimensionally smaller car to boot. Sure you're getting high horsepower 4-cylinders like the SRT4 and the Cobalt SS, which have decent power levels with lower weight, but in order for them to pull it off, they had to build it around "half-a-car". People are complaining about the S197 Mustang being too heavy and not having enough horsepower, but at least it was a purpose built car with its own platform. If anything, it should be the SRT4 and Cobalt owners that should be going out of their minds. You've got to hand it to Dodge and GM. Give the public a few more horsepower, a flashy body kit and some shiny wheels and then strap it to the most basic, inexpensive bottom of the barrel car in their line up, then give it a new name...all while charged buyers twice the price for it. And on top of that have they've convinced potential owners to feel good about it. Now that's marketing strategy!
If Ford wanted to make the car lighter, they could have easily made it a mid-size, or compact car like many of the rice burners you see out there, but that's not what the Ford Faithful demanded. The closest the Mustang has ever been to a compact was the Mustang II and everyone hated it. Sure, I guess they could have cut a few pounds here and a few pounds there with aluminum this and plastic/fiberglass/carbon fiber that, but then as the weight decreased, the cost would increase. And we all know the next argument would have been...."Damn....$35,000 just for a Mustang!?!"
As portly as the car is, I still think a pretty decent balance has been struck. Of course there's room for improvement, but you didn't think Ford was going to go all out right off the bat did you? Leaving room for more power, better suspension parts, brakes, etc is how they're able to stretch the platform for so long. Why do you think the Fox was around for so many years? Perhaps this is where Dodge and GM got their ideas from?
wow......I was just posting my buddies #s and telling you guys a little story of some races with some stangs and it turned into this...lol.......Some of you guys are just angry....angry individuals lololol
I think you and killy need to take your argument to PM's
The modular 4.6L 2V wasn't built for boost. And at that time, 400rwhp was a lot of horsepower for a Mustang. The 03/04 Cobras put that notion to shame and Ford now have competitiors making NA cars with well over 400hp.
I do think Ford has gotten on the right side with the 3Vs. So far it appears the stock 3V internals can handle 500rwhp, which ain't shabby at all IMO.