O2 Sensor Question

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  1. stykthyn

    stykthyn Commander of the snuggie cultists

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    I have two different O2 sensors in my car. One is a black sleeve over the wires and has three wires, the other is a white sleeve and has four wires. I was under the impression that EECIV wiring was set up for a 3 wire sensor. My buddy put in the 4 wire when we got ready for the first fire up after the rebuild. Since then I've had a miss and my passenger bank( the one with the odd sensor) reeks of fuel. Could the four wire sensor be the culprit?
     
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    madspeed Colonel Mustard Mod Dude Founding Member

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    what year, the 87?
     
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    stykthyn Commander of the snuggie cultists

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    yes. its an 87
     
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    looks like you have 1 wrong sensor, as per the diagram they are both 3 wires
     
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    stykthyn Commander of the snuggie cultists

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    sho nuff. 3 wires it is. that will likely nix my rich condition, hopefully the stumble is a by product of that as well.
     
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    most likely
     
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    To the best of my knowledge you need the 3 wire. I replaced on of mine about a year ago. The 4 wire O2 are grounded through the harness, while the 3 wire O2 sensors ground through the body.

    Wiring is as follows
    gray wire is the ground
    black is signal
    white wires are heater

    If you tried to use the 4 wire on a three wire car, you don't have a ground. The connector will actually plug in, but the mating connector on the car harness will not provide a ground and you can fry your EEC.

    Are you getting a CEL?
     
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    not for the O2s which is why I never questioned it.
     
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    Pull codes yet? Looks like you found the problem, but i'd run your codes for sure. At least run them after you swap in the correct sensor and clear them
     
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    yes, all my codes were for my smog pump and charcoal canister which have been removed. Had one for the TPS but that has been fixed. I plan on replacing both sensors, will pull codes and report back after that.
     
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    Pretty sure the part #
    Bosch 13942
     
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    at @-zone the direct fit(shorter wire harness) was more $$$ than the universal o2(longer wire). I used a tie strap no issues and save a little $$
     
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    I saw a 3 dollar difference between the universal and the direct fit. one was 36 and the other 39.
     
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    Now you know, .......and knowing is 1/2 the battle, ...G.I Joe!!!:nice:

    That's $6 towards gas, nice combo meal after the install or ice cream plus at Sonic!!!!
     
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    I'm all about a double whopper. add bacon.
     
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    D@mn I'm gettin' hungry now!!!
     
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    The 4 wire sensors are for the 4 cylinder cars. The extra wire is a ground, and I don't know if it is the sensor ground or the heater ground. You need 2 good O2 sensors with the 3 wire setup that the 5.0 Fox Mustangs use.
     
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