TCP front suspension???

[Woodie]

I'm looking @ doing the front susppension on a 68 coupe. Im really liking the TCP set up, but I keep reading about the MII set up. I like the room a MII offers but a MII is way beyond my fab skills. What is the opinion on the TCP front set up (Cost and handling) and handling differances between the TCP and MII?

Thanks
Michael

 

[Grabber70Mach]

It all depends on your intentions for the car. I had thought about alot of setups that you are considering but then decided to upgrade the stock setup. Do a search on the subject lots of good info out there on this forums and others. Check out Opentracker Racing Products and
DazeCars, Ford Galaxie Mustang tech and restoration

 

[fast_back_gta]

Generally, TCP is about handling and MII is hot rod, room to stuff a big engine in.

 

[mean stang]

I have a 65 restomod. I had the TCP, however, ended up going with the Ron Morris Front Suspension. I really like the Ron Morris and recommend it to anyone.

 

[mean stang]

test....cool sig works

 

[Wicked65]

I have talked with TCP a few times about my 65 and seen all their parts in person. Workmanship is second to none. I would highly recomend any of their products.

 

[fast_back_gta]

mean stang, why did you change the TCP for the Ron Morris? just curious.

 

[12sec67]

Woodie, you should stop by and I can show you the difference in the kits. I have of each style here right now, and then some. Like they said, depends on what you want to do. Although I will tell you I wouldn't even consider a MII unless you have big plans in the engine bay.

 

[mean stang]

mean stang, why did you change the TCP for the Ron Morris? just curious.

Had a little trouble with the fitment of the TCP. When I saw the Ron Morris I just liked the way it was designed better. They're basically the same though, but I had absolutely NO problems with Ron Morris.....I would also recommend their motor mounts....they are also great.

 

[mdjay]

While I respect Ron Morris products, there is no comparison!

 

[mean stang]

While I respect Ron Morris products, there is no comparison!

Ron Morris was just my personal preference. The TCP stuff was great quality, nothing against TCP, it just didn't work in my application....possible that the car was in a wreck at some time or another.....it is 43 years old.

 

[68EFIvert]

When I saw the Ron Morris I just liked the way it was designed better. They're basically the same though, but I had absolutely NO problems with Ron Morris.....I would also recommend their motor mounts....they are also great.

I also have Ron Morris motor mounts and his front suspension kit. Both are great!

mdjay, why do you think TCP is so much better than the RMP kit? Not picking an arguement, just curious. I have the TCP G-Bar and think is is great and in the same quality range as Ron's stuff.

 

[Psydwaze]

What is the opinion on the TCP front set up (Cost and handling) and handling differences between the TCP and MII?

We (Chassisworks/TCP) manufacture both types of systems. Component choices from each product line can be scaled to match your intended performance goals.

The Chassisworks g-Machine Front Crossmember System (info link) is our improvement over the general MII configuration. It can be built to hub widths of 51-65" and has a rather large selection of control arms, brakes, and steering system options. Prices for complete systems (crossmember, shocks, springs, brakes, rack, spindles,) range from $3k to $6k depending upon how it is optioned. Like the TCP line, Chassisworks is the upper tier of quality and workmanship. This system, because of the accuracy of the revised geometry and strength of the components, can be made to handle extremely well, but will require additional strengthening of the front frame rails. If you are not a fabricator there will also be significant additional costs for installation. Figure about 25 hours installation time with an experienced shop.

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Control Arms Examples

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Street Machine Upper Arm

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g-Machine Upper Arm


The TCP product options are different in the fact that with a bit of wrench turning there are no additional costs other than possibly a front end alignment. Plus, you don't necessarily have to purchase everything to improve your vehicle to a level that makes you happy. But, if you want the best of everything for the front suspension, steering, and brakes, you're looking at about $7k. There are also a variety of front suspensions that can give you greatly improved handling for less money.

Coil-Over Conversion

Bolt-On Coil-Over (for OEM or TCP arms)


Jay (mdjay) will be able to get you more specific pricing on either of the systems above. Just send him a PM.

 

[fast_back_gta]

psydwaze, if you were going to use it for handling purpose only, which one would you use, g-machine MII or TCP coil over?
Assuming both had big brakes and r&p steering.

 

[DK832]

Anyone I know says no to MII styles for serious cornering. Cant give you any reasons though!

 

[Psydwaze]

which one would you use...?

On a Mustang I would go with the TCP components. Mainly because keeping the shock towers intact and being able to use standard chassis stiffening components is a big plus for handling. The g-Machine system can yield excellent handling if the area of the chassis on which it is mounted is stable enough. Installation on a Mustang would require the frame rails to be beefed up and additional support struts to tie the frame rails into the upper cowl area and/or roll cage. Similar to this...

Properly installed, either system will give you great handling, but the TCP components make it whole lot easier.

I believe people shy away from MII-based systems because most of your run of the mill MII systems have been designed for street rodders not necessarily for performance handling. Please do not confuse the Chassisworks g-Machine product with these other systems. Our suspension geometry, down to the spindles, and construction methods are unique to our crossmember system and truly set it apart from the rest.

 

[fast_back_gta]

Thanks!