What a turd. I got on it a little and I noticed it was decently quick, but then herd the s/cer whine.. and I had to think to myself... "Is this thing supercharged???" That's when you know it's nothing you'd spend 4-5K on.
Nick
Nick
I'm sure they *can* be made fast... But they're based on an M90 roots, I believe. Same as a Supercoupe. I mean, come on! Sure, it was quicker then my GT... But for the price he probably paid for the s/cer... It wasn't close to being worth it. And I'm sure it was the stock pulley and tune on it.
I'm sure they *can* be made fast... But they're based on an M90 roots, I believe. Same as a Supercoupe. I mean, come on! Sure, it was quicker then my GT... But for the price he probably paid for the s/cer... It wasn't close to being worth it. And I'm sure it was the stock pulley and tune on it.
I'm sure they *can* be made fast... But they're based on an M90 roots, I believe. Same as a Supercoupe. I mean, come on! Sure, it was quicker then my GT... But for the price he probably paid for the s/cer... It wasn't close to being worth it. And I'm sure it was the stock pulley and tune on it.
Perhaps....but so would any blower. The cork in the '96-'98 GT is the heads, cams and intake. I've seen guys with S-Trim Vortechs and 1.7L Kenne Bells barely making over 300RWPH through the stock NPI hardware. There is blame to be laid with the ’96-’98 power adder equipped cars my friend, but none of it should be shouldered on the lowly Eaton M90.They are seriously using an M90?
An M90 would be wheezing badly on a stock 96-98 4.6, with 215hp from the factory.
It’s actually not the same as the one on the Supercoupe. The Supercoupes used a 2nd and 3rd Gen M90 (depending on the year). The Roush uses a 4th Gen MP90, which is vastly improved over the previous model. Either way, don't discount the blower just because it’s an M90. The blower kit in my 2V Cougar runs a 3rd Gen M90S (same as the one on the '94-'95 Supercoupe, only "S" ported) and even at 4,200lbs (with driver) sucking through a 4R70W automatic transmission and IRS I'm still able to knock down consistent high-12's with it. Considering my car ran mid-16's stock, I'd say that "little" M90 is working for its dinner! There are guys in the Supercoupe world running 10’s with their 3.8L M90 equipped cars, so there is still power to be had.
Yes, there are much bigger offerings out there, but that's not to say the Roush kit isn’t a worth while investment. As a matter of fact, both the Roush Stage 3 and 427R use a version of the kit you mentioned above and both are equally capable of slapping the taste out of the mouths of all but the most extreme N/A GT's. That little MP90 Stage 3 even bested the 2.3L Twin Screw Equipped Saleen in a head to head drag test.....so there's jam to be had!!!
You simply must have just gotten a turd?
Perhaps....but so would any blower. The cork in the '96-'98 GT is the heads, cams and intake. I've seen guys with S-Trim Vortechs and 1.7L Kenne Bells barely making over 300RWPH through the stock NPI hardware. There is blame to be laid with the ’96-’98 power adder equipped cars my friend, but none of it should be shouldered on the lowly Eaton M90.
I could make the arguement that I could make a Honda Fit run 8's with an NA VTEC motor... Just because it can be done doesn't mean it's the best or most efficient way.... And def. not the cheapest or most cost effective way either.
I have a friend with a Roush supercharger with an auto that runs lower 12's through the cats. If i were to ever supercharge my car the roush unit would be the one I would use because of it's stock fitting appearance.
I don't see what there is to quibble about. Power adder = Fast! Who cares in what form it comes in?
So let me get this strait......if it were a big manly Vortech, Paxton, Kenne Bell, Whipple, Twin/Single turbo, etc set up and making the same power figures all would be dandy, but because its a lowly Eaton MP90 motivating the car, it should be compared to a rice box with an engine swap?
Further more, because you don't particularly like the flavor of blower being utilized, it must not be cost effective or efficient? Well lets look at that for a second....in base trim, right off the showroom floor the Roush 427R with its little 1.35L MP90 makes just about as much power and has actually on occasion been proven quicker than the Saleen S281 with its 2.3L 140AX. In this example I see a crappy little Eaton still running well within its efficiency range keeping pace with the big bad twin screw nearly twice its size. Now you tell me based on that factoid, which one of the two power adders is the least "efficient” or the bigger waste of money of the two? The one that's doing more, with less, or the one thats doing less with more? If the Roush kit with the MP90 wasn’t doing its job, then sure we could bitch about the package and down play its performance, but the results speak for themselves.
And because you got a hold of one unimpressive example a few days ago, the whole lot must be a mistake? Gawd.....I hope the CEO’s at Roush have the engineers that designed the kit standing in the unemployment line this morning after your expert opinion.
Look, if you don't like Roush's choice of blower, that's fine. Nobody said you weren't allowed to have a personal bias. But please don't provide some weak sauce import comparison with lame reasoning as an explanation just to satisfy an inferiority complex you might have because the little guy on the block is capable of running with the big dogs.
Take bang for the buck into account and every bolt on short of a power adder is a waste of money by comparison. Tell me....how many parts does it take and what would it cost be to add 135hp to a stock 3V without the use of a power adder....all while maintaining stock fuel economy, reliability and improved drivability?
The base Roush set up is as good an entry level blower as any other on the market and has proven such since its inception. And since its performing at a level on par with its peers, I really don’t see why its physical size or displacement should matter? Those wanting more power out of the deal and who wish to stick with the Roush Product are jumping up the bigger TVS series now offered. Just as others wanting a harder hitting package are jumping into larger offerings from the other respected supercharger manufactures. That's how it works, thats how it has always worked!
....so I really don't see the problem?
Too much time on my hands??? Maybe, but since you seem so eager to dismiss any viewpoint that differs from your own without reason, I felt it necessary to explain in greater detail for others who might be interested in a more involved opinion.....but it's nice to see that you're being so mature with your response at least.Wow. You have too much time. You win. I give up. The M90 is the best s/cer ever made and that Roush s/cer was too much for the street. It should be for race cars only.
Really, because that's pretty much exactly how I took it?I don't think Poop Dawg is trying to say the original Roush S/C is the worst thing to ever hit the market.
If you're spinning them hard, then yes.....I would agree with you that a blower more suited to top end efficiency like the new 2300 TVS or a large displacement Twin Screw are going to out power the Roush's MP90 by comparison. That's really no contest.....bigger almost always equal better as far as the physical ability to make more horsepower is concerned.I think he is saying, compared to others the Roush S/C is a dog. Compared to the rest of the field the original Roush S/C is WAY behind. Pound for Pound the M90 based Roush S/C cannot hold up agianst the likes of the new TVS, whipple or KB blowers.