Whats a good 4dr car?

[tomustang]

all a taurus needs is some small things to be bad a$$.....

the Pughmiester :Word:

 

[ToplessStang]

I'm another guy enjoying the new Fusion quite a bit.

 

[BlackArtemis]

The honda Jazz (known as the Fit to you guys) is insanley popular over here, seems like a decent run around and good mileage. We have a version with cnter exhaust and some other dress up items.

 

[streetstang03]

i dont see wtf ANYONE would buy a Ford car other than the Mustang if you want a 4 door, get an import.

 

[Mike97gt]

I would either get a Camry or a Fusion. Maybe even a Passat.

on the Passat.. a 600,000 mile accord is a better bet for reliability than a damm new VW.. VW is one of the most unreliable cars made

I would consider a fusion, or wait for the SVT fusion.. 400 HP AWD STI killer!!!!!!

i dont see wtf ANYONE would buy a Ford car other than the Mustang if you want a 4 door, get an import.

Nothing wrong with american cars.. All of mine have been fine.

 

[geoffsgt]

Everyone should know how to drive a stick. Don't let that be an excuse

 

[GDawg]

I like my Mazda 6. You can get a brand new one that's pretty nice for under $25K.

 

[mineralgray2002]

I keep trying to talk her into the mazda 6 because i like hte styling alot more, but as usual what i say doesnt matter to her so she wants the 3. maybe if we go drive them she will be disappointed and want the 6 lol

 

[04DarkShadowGT]

they have that same 2.3 in ford focus, it's a shared motor... it's getting hard to tell the mazdas from fords

I used to HATE the MadzaFords like the probe/cougar but now that mazda is using Ford EEC it's much better.. Who ever at mazda invented the MECS setup needs to be stabbed in the eye with a rusty screwdriver and then have battery acid poured into the wound.

Its actually not the same 2.3. Its basically the shortblock thats the same. The rest is different. The Mazda version also has variable valve timing and is rated at a higher hp.

That being said the Focus is a total turd compared to the Mazda3 as far as quality, chassis, looks, options, etc. The European Focus shares the same platform as the Mazda3 but the US Focus is an older chassis design.

I would consider a fusion, or wait for the SVT fusion.. 400 HP AWD STI killer!!!!!!

Ill believe that when I see it, 400hp doubtful especially since it needs to be 28-30K price range. If there is an SVT version which I doubt, chances are it would get the same 2.3 turbo thats in the Mazdaspeed6.

Here is a pic of mine, that I got for just under 17K out the door brand new.

 

[AvalancheSVT]

they have that same 2.3 in ford focus, it's a shared motor... it's getting hard to tell the mazdas from fords.

the probe shared a platform with the mazda mx6, not the cougar. the cougar's platform was the contour/mystique variant. totally unrelated platforms other than the "market niche" they were trying to hit with the coug.

 

[mineralgray2002]

I know this isnt a 4dr car. But does anyone know how good and how fast a cobalt ss supercharged is? I know its not a mustang but they seem to make good power and have good mileage and i kinda like them

 

[Mike97gt]

Its actually not the same 2.3. Its basically the shortblock thats the same. The rest is different. The Mazda version also has variable valve timing and is rated at a higher hp.

That being said the Focus is a total turd compared to the Mazda3 as far as quality, chassis, looks, options, etc. The European Focus shares the same platform as the Mazda3 but the US Focus is an older chassis design.



Ill believe that when I see it, 400hp doubtful especially since it needs to be 28-30K price range. If there is an SVT version which I doubt, chances are it would get the same 2.3 turbo thats in the Mazdaspeed6.

The focus is rated a few HP less that is true, but the 2.3 is still a mazda ford joint project.

As far as the 400 HP svt fusion.. I tend to agree with you that I will beleive it when I see it.. BUT I was told by somebody that should knwo that they are planning to build a SVT fusion and it will not be a I-4 I was told it was going to be a FI version of the new 3.5 liter V-6 and it was going to be more in the 35k price range. Maybe it's total BS and 400 HP seems a bit high to me myself..

Personally I find all this involvement with Mazda very very disturbing.. I really have not been a fan of any fo the products prior to the fusion that had mazda involved in it. The mazdafords for the most part are a nightmare to work on (probe) and are some of the worst products ford has put on the road..

I sure hope the fusion is a lot better to work on then some of the other hellish products mazda has stuck us with.

 

[MEandmyKB]

I like my Stone White '05 SRT-4.
Bought it new for under sticker price and with the following upgrades/mods...

MOPAR Parts: Stage 2 Turbo Kit, Cat-Delete, Performance Cat-Back, Performance Air Filter, Ignition Wires, BOV Conversion, Ricer Red Valve Cover, "Dodge" Door Sill Plates + Boomba OCC + MaxxFab 3" o2 Housing + Showparts Injector Cover


...I'm STILL a couple of dollars below the $21,295.00 Sticker price - Get 28MPG and my brother's '05 GTO w/CAI and CB can't pull on me now.

 

[MEandmyKB]

Mazda 3 MazdaSpeed edition. it's the SRT-4 killer. http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=modelsMain&vehicleCode=MS3

263hp and 280ft/lbs with a 6 speed.

SRT-4 killer? Not.

You do know that the "230hp" of the SRT-4 is rated AT the wheels, right? Most I've seen dyno at 230 or a bit higher. Couple of hundred pounds lighter than the Mazda and 14.4 -14.5 seem about right for the stock Mazda - doesn't seem to own the SRT-4, IMO, at all.

 

[04DarkShadowGT]

SRT-4 killer? Not.

You do know that the "230hp" of the SRT-4 is rated AT the wheels, right? Most I've seen dyno at 230 or a bit higher. Couple of hundred pounds lighter than the Mazda and 14.4 -14.5 seem about right for the stock Mazda - doesn't seem to own the SRT-4, IMO, at all.

The only thing the SRT-4 has on the Mazdaspeed 3 is maybe straight line speed. The SRT-4 is still based on the ****ty Neon platform with Neon build quality and **** interior. The Mazda3 is light years ahead of any domestic compact car as far as being an overall great car. The 3 has a high quality interior, great handling, plenty of power stock, great looks, comfortable, and most of all its resale value is awesome.

Btw I used to drive a neon as a commuter and it was awful, the SRT-4 is still an awful car with a fantastic powertrain.

 

[MEandmyKB]

The only thing the SRT-4 has on the Mazdaspeed 3 is maybe straight line speed. The SRT-4 is still based on the ****ty Neon platform with Neon build quality and **** interior. The Mazda3 is light years ahead of any domestic compact car as far as being an overall great car. The 3 has a high quality interior, great handling, plenty of power stock, great looks, comfortable, and most of all its resale value is awesome.

Btw I used to drive a neon as a commuter and it was awful, the SRT-4 is still an awful car with a fantastic powertrain.

When the word "killer" was used, was it used to compare "straight line speed"?

And please don't be one of the people that uses the SRT-4 is a "Neon with a turbo" excuse - like saying a Cobra is a GT with a supercharger, or saying a GT is just a base model V6 Mustang with a bigger engine dropped in. I work on Neons and I own a SRT-4 and I see really nothing in common between the 2. And if the "Neon build quality and **** interior" are such disasters...why does my SRT-4 interior look like a total upscale winner when compared to the interior of my '02 Mustang GT. Except for Leatherastic seats in my "premium" Mustang, almost every piece of SRT-4 interior looks and feels better, especially the Viper-ish seats. And at 10,000 miles my SRT-4 has Zero squeaks, rattles, plastic interior buzzes and body groans...like my Mustang did. Mazda 3 = "great looks" ? WTF?

Don't know what the SRT resale market is like in your area, but I see stock low mileage used 2005 SRT-4's going for 18-19k...that's what I paid for mine when it was new last year.

 

[MEandmyKB]

When the word "killer" was used, was it used to compare "straight line speed"?

And please don't be one of the people that uses the SRT-4 is a "Neon with a turbo" excuse - like saying a Cobra is a GT with a supercharger, or saying a GT is just a base model V6 Mustang with a bigger engine dropped in. I work on Neons and I own a SRT-4 and I see really nothing in common between the 2. And if the "Neon build quality and **** interior" are such disasters...why does my SRT-4 interior look like a total upscale winner when compared to the interior of my '02 Mustang GT. Except for Leatherastic seats in my "premium" Mustang, almost every piece of SRT-4 interior looks and feels better, especially the Viper-ish seats. And at 10,000 miles my SRT-4 has Zero squeaks, rattles, plastic interior buzzes and body groans...like my Mustang did. Mazda 3 = "great looks" ? WTF?

Don't know what the SRT resale market is like in your area, but I see stock low mileage used 2005 SRT-4's going for 18-19k...that's what I paid for mine when it was new last year.

http://www.answers.com/topic/dodge-srt-4

 

[04DarkShadowGT]

When the word "killer" was used, was it used to compare "straight line speed"?

And please don't be one of the people that uses the SRT-4 is a "Neon with a turbo" excuse - like saying a Cobra is a GT with a supercharger, or saying a GT is just a base model V6 Mustang with a bigger engine dropped in. I work on Neons and I own a SRT-4 and I see really nothing in common between the 2. And if the "Neon build quality and **** interior" are such disasters...why does my SRT-4 interior look like a total upscale winner when compared to the interior of my '02 Mustang GT. Except for Leatherastic seats in my "premium" Mustang, almost every piece of SRT-4 interior looks and feels better, especially the Viper-ish seats. And at 10,000 miles my SRT-4 has Zero squeaks, rattles, plastic interior buzzes and body groans...like my Mustang did. Mazda 3 = "great looks" ? WTF?

Don't know what the SRT resale market is like in your area, but I see stock low mileage used 2005 SRT-4's going for 18-19k...that's what I paid for mine when it was new last year.

You wont hear me complimenting any mustang interiors either, they are pretty crappy as well imo. The ergonomics, shifter placement, materials, and especially leather seats on the mustangs are awful. But people buy mustangs for some of the same reasons as an SRT-4. Cheap speed with a huge aftermarket to make the car whatever you want it to be.

But I was comparing the Mazda 3 interior to a Neon interior and there is no comparison. Yeah I understand the SRT-4 is more than just an engine dropped in the car, but the majority of components are the same. The suspension, brakes, and drivetrain are different. The seat obviously are different but its still a neon and I am not trying to bash the SRT-4 as I owned a neon, but its not even close to as nice a car as a Mazda 3.

If you dont think a Mazda 3 looks better than a neon, you definatly need your eyes checked. But looks are subjective. Yeah the SRT looks more aggressive than the base neon but its still not a real looker imo.

When I was commenting on resale value I was talking in general vs the domestic compacts, so I guess ya got me there. The SRT-4 does hold its value better than a base neon.

 

[AvalancheSVT]

the mazda3 is triple the quality of the neon, will last longer, and even has a performance variant coming out soon.

the neon is cheaper.

thats pretty much what it comes down to.

 

[MEandmyKB]

You wont hear me complimenting any mustang interiors either, they are pretty crappy as well imo. The ergonomics, shifter placement, materials, and especially leather seats on the mustangs are awful. But people buy mustangs for some of the same reasons as an SRT-4. Cheap speed with a huge aftermarket to make the car whatever you want it to be.

But I was comparing the Mazda 3 interior to a Neon interior and there is no comparison.

Doesn't look vastly superior to me - not like if you were comparing a G35 or M5 to a SRT-4.

Yeah I understand the SRT-4 is more than just an engine dropped in the car, but the majority of components are the same. The suspension, brakes, and drivetrain are different.

...the steering, the interiors, the exteriors are different, etc...etc...etc...

The seat obviously are different but its still a neon

And the Mazdaspeed 3 is different...but it's still just an entry level revamped Mazda 3? Not following your logic on entry level = awesome/entry level = the suck.

and I am not trying to bash the SRT-4

What part of "based on the ****ty Neon" leads me to believe the SRT-4 is worth buying?

as I owned a neon, but its not even close to as nice a car as a Mazda 3.

A Neon is a nice car if you're in the market for a Escort or Focus, but its not even close to as nice a car as a SRT-4, IMO.

If you dont think a Mazda 3 looks better than a neon, you definatly need your eyes checked.

I'm not referring to the base Mazda 3, as in the sedan that looks okay...but I think the hatchwagon Mazdaspeed 3 version looks nasty, in a bad way. And I'm not talking "Neon" ...just the SRT-4 version. If/when the Mazdaspeed comes out in a sedan version then I may just be a bit more impressed with it.

But looks are subjective. Yeah the SRT looks more aggressive than the base neon but its still not a real looker imo.

And the Mazdaspeed 3 is?

When I was commenting on resale value I was talking in general vs the domestic compacts, so I guess ya got me there. The SRT-4 does hold its value better than a base neon.

Okay, I thought you were comparing the Mazdaspeed 3's resale to the SRT-4's resale value.