Went for a ride in a '11 today
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I see, so you're under the impression, that me reffering to you playing "catch up" only has to do with horsepower making capability?
Come talk to me when you get your old school 5.0L making 400+hp in N/A trim, with perfect idle and drivability...all while knocking down 25mpg+ fuel economy in a vehicle with 3,500lb+ curb weight and producing near zero emmisions in the process. And all while while being able to light those fire with just 87-octane in the tank
Match all those parameters and then we'll talk about old school superiority, or even being on an even keel. Until then my friend....we're all playing "catch up" The last crop of Mod motor guys included.
Anyone can make power with an old 302 OHV by adding a pile of displacement, a power adder or a wild valve train. Lets see you do it and remain factory friendly like the 5.0L OHC Ti VCT engine does.
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I'm not sure but i'm betting the 5.0 will require premium fuel. Anyone read anything otherwise? I don't see how they manage to run 11:1 and make that kind of power with 87.
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Yes it makes like 404 with 87 and 412 with 91. Many cars do this nowadays including the sportier Hyundai's. Compliments of variable cam timing and modern tuning/computer tech.
Well get back with me around 2020 and i'll post my progress thread on my junkyard Coyote swap. Hopefully the 347 lasts that long 
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Alright this will be my ONLY statement towards you as i dont feel like getting into the usual pissing matchI see, so you're under the impression, that me reffering to you playing "catch up" only has to do with horsepower making capability?
Come talk to me when you get your old school 5.0L making 400+hp in N/A trim, with perfect idle and drivability...all while knocking down 25mpg+ fuel economy in a vehicle with 3,500lb+ curb weight and producing near zero emmisions in the process. And all while while being able to light those fire with just 87-octane in the tank
Match all those parameters and then we'll talk about old school superiority, or even being on an even keel. Until then my friend....we're all playing "catch up" The last crop of Mod motor guys included.
Anyone can make power with an old 302 OHV by adding a pile of displacement, a power adder or a wild valve train. Lets see you do it and remain factory friendly like the 5.0L OHC Ti VCT engine does.
My "5.0" is making well over 400hp, hasnt been tuned cause im saving that money for when the F1c goes in, anyhow im sure backed by a T56 it'll get damn near 25mpg(without the blower), and perfect idle?, to me thats subjective, my perfect idle is something that sounds like a wounded angry badger in heat, i would NEVER run 87 in any of my vehicles so i couldnt give a rats ass about that, if i cared about emissions i wouldnt be DD'ing a diesel truck and if i wanted to stay smog legal with the motor i could have but i dont car about that, so as far as im concerned it'll be well behind me in my "outdated" 2900lb fox
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Absolutely
I love this car too and have owned it for 7. Of course I say I will never part with it but... if something better came along 
A few points to clarifiy.
1st Your 5.0 is no long a 5.0L at all (347ci - 5.7L). It’s tough to claim the superiority of a particular engine when you need to change every component from intake to oil pan (block included) in order to do so.
2nd You can speculate all you'd like about what you “predict” you’ll get for fuel mileage, but until you've done any real world testing, it’s only that...speculation. I too have a predictions with regards to your fuel economy and that’s that with a wild enough head/cam/intake combination that you’re seeing “well over 400hp” in N/A trim like you claim, you’re not going to get anywhere close to 25mpg with 347ci when the rubber finally hits the road like you’re assuming.
3rd Perfect idle is not subjective. When I said perfect, it was quite obvious I referred to a smooth, uninterrupted, clean crisp low RPM “burble”. No excessive lope, no loss of vacuum at idle, or need for increased RPM to keep it running. You engine would quite simply sacrifice a huge amount of horsepower and torque in order to run cam profiles that would achieve these characteristics. With the independent variable cam timing design of the new 5.0L, great idle and superior horsepower are no longer a compromise. You truly can have your cake and eat it too.
4th You would never run 87-octane fuel in your tank, because quite frankly, you don’t have the option of doing so. At least not without having to sacrifice a large portion of drivability and horsepower because of the timing you’ll need to pull out of your tune in order to do so. Again…making one compromise, for another.
5th Emmisions….do we really need to go there? Again, another option that isn’t available to you, so you don’t seem to care about it.
6th This isn’t a pissing match about an “outdated Fox” vs the superiority of an S197. We’re comparing engines here, not the cars themselves.
I realize you’re quite comfortable with giving up and/or compromising fuel economy, the option to run regular gas, emissions, drivability, etc all in the goal of superior horsepower. That’s great. You’re essentially building a race car. That quite frankly should be your goal.
But let’s not turn this debate into something it isn’t, or ignore the fact that you’ve given up a lot to meet that goal.
This new 5.0L hasn’t. It makes over 400hp, it gets great fuel economy, it can run regular gas, it idles smooth as silk and it does pass emissions with flying colours and it does it all with only 302 ci of displacement and without even swapping the air filter. The fact that you’ve chosen to sacrifice these things with you build (and choose to no longer care about them) is irrelevant. The reality still remains that sacrifices had to be made on your end and my point still stands. The old 5.0L OHV is playing catch up to this new mill.
I'd have to see some kind of proof that an over 400hp 5.0 is knocking down anything over 20mpg. I'm just skeptical on that one. I know my car is carbed and EFI will get a little better, but if i BABY my car and stay off the secondaries completely, i don't get anything over 15mpg and that's in a 2880lb car. I don't see EFI making up for another 10mpg.
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Ive got dyno sheets and accompanying guest (two to be exact) to prove that whilst driving to Seattle with the occasional open throat test I achieved 22 just two short weekends ago. I am sitting RIGHT at 500 at the crank give or take a few
The beauty of EFI!
like a camaro?Absolutely
Did i mention that ford is PAYING ME $50 to test drive the '11 and fill out a survey?
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like a camaro?
Did i mention that ford is PAYING ME $50 to test drive the '11 and fill out a survey?
I would have to borrow your mullet and "How to Date Your Sister" book before I would consider it. Dont want to NOT fit in like 4tun8...
I would have to borrow your mullet and "How to Date Your Sister" book before I would consider it. Dont want to NOT fit in like 4tun8...
the book is titled "keepin it in the family" for your information!
and id take an iroc Z over an evo anyday.
id still run the z into a tree though
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Can I has book? And can I watch.... you run that z into a tree that is.
i need to be alive for my '11 test drive. i signed up at a car show thinking it was just a way to get my address but i recieved my forms in the mail
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Was Bill the one at the car show handing out the forms? If so, we had better talk. You not getting a ride in an '11. Youre getting "ridden" in an '11 
honestly, the Ford rep girl was 
so i just gave her my number...and filled out everything she handed me
so i just gave her my number...and filled out everything she handed me
